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May 1, 2010 5:35 am #41


Re: ..::global Warming On The World::..

I think here we are friends, and we should want to know outpouring of our hearts to all friends, all I want is a solution together, who knows the father or mother of the president we see this issue or anyone else who care about the environment will be felt, like our people's right really need us "president and all the authorities" and should have a better perspective of action and real action such as planting trees, etc., that's what this topic. and I really hope to all your friends to the commencement of us by us and for us, hope you all understand what I am talking about, I beg your help. thanks a lot

EKA S LAURENZA,SE
Republik Indonesia

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May 1, 2010 7:04 pm #42


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blogannath wrote:

You never "argue" with anyone.  All you are into is name-calling when the argument does not go your way.  I know your type too!

Why does it not surprise me that you run your mouth out of one side?  Apparently you haven't looked up any of Jojobaby's previous posts.  I think close to half of them have some form of attack or snide remark directed at the person he doesn't agree with or is replying to.

I've had enough experience to know a Jojobaby when I see one.  He's (or she's) what was called a troll in the political discussion groups.  They just look to disrupt with their name calling and rarely have anything to add.  Usually, a snide "question" or a very insincere "Enlighten me" is their trademark.

I notice you seem to have a tendency to support Big Brother.  Tell the truth if you are able.  Do you work for the government?

 

May 1, 2010 10:47 pm #43


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PhreedomPhan wrote:

I notice you seem to have a tendency to support Big Brother.  Tell the truth if you are able.  Do you work for the government?

I don't work for the government, and I don't support Big Brother either.  But I am also not blind to the fact that there are sometimes worse things to trust and support than the government.  I am also technologically savvy enough to know that entities like my credit card companies, Google, and Facebook know more about people than the government ever will.  What keeps them in check is the fear of government regulation, so government has its uses!

I understand that nothing in the world is black or white, but everything is shades of gray.  When I see someone painting everything as black or white, and using phrases like "if you are not with us, you are against us", I know they are not to be trusted or supported.  Global warming due to human causes is about 80% white (well-supported by science) and 20% black (uncertainty remains).  Only fringe elements can deny this and think that climate change is entirely a hoax of some sort.  The science of climate change is not as clean as Newton's laws (which by the way are not correct, the correct form is a lot more complicated too), but that does not give non-scientists a license to label the entire field as witch-craft.  If I am a supporter of Big Brother for this view, so be it . . .

 

May 4, 2010 4:31 pm #44


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blogannath wrote:

I don't work for the government, and I don't support Big Brother either.  But I am also not blind to the fact that there are sometimes worse things to trust and support than the government.  I am also technologically savvy enough to know that entities like my credit card companies, Google, and Facebook know more about people than the government ever will.  What keeps them in check is the fear of government regulation, so government has its uses!

I understand that nothing in the world is black or white, but everything is shades of gray.  When I see someone painting everything as black or white, and using phrases like "if you are not with us, you are against us", I know they are not to be trusted or supported.  Global warming due to human causes is about 80% white (well-supported by science) and 20% black (uncertainty remains).  Only fringe elements can deny this and think that climate change is entirely a hoax of some sort.  The science of climate change is not as clean as Newton's laws (which by the way are not correct, the correct form is a lot more complicated too), but that does not give non-scientists a license to label the entire field as witch-craft.  If I am a supporter of Big Brother for this view, so be it . . .

If you were so technologically savvy, you would know that anything the credit card companies, Google, and Facebook know is available to the government.  They’ve agreed to give the government any information they have about you. 

To think that government regulation keeps the giant corporation in check is naïve at best.  Through most of my lifetime I watched government regulation grow.  Paralleling that growth was the growth of the megacorporation.  Money has always dominated government and probably always will.  The only way to limit the power of money over us is to limit the power of the government.  I could never understand the many people who called themselves “liberals"  who said, “Big Business controls the government."   I was totally in agreement, but when I’d ask what the solution is I would hear, “You have to give more power to Congress to control Big Business."  Well, duhhh!  If Big Business controls the government and you give more power to government, to whom are you giving more power?  This concept is beyond the cognitive powers of most big government  advocates.

Your next paragraph destroys any credibility you might have had.  Dragging in Bush’s remark as if it applied to me or necessarily to any who oppose Big Brother’s man made global warming mythology is weak and pathetic.  I do like your statistics though.  Where you get them?  Pulled them out of a hat?  Made them up?  Took them as fact from interested parties?  Accepting your stats, let’s look at them more realistically.  Human caused global warming is 80% bull supported by “scientists"  who know what side their grant applications are buttered on and others who have some vested interest in this great power and wealth grab.  The 20% are those with the courage to tell the truth regardless of the consequences of bucking the powers-that-be.

Witch-craft?

 

May 5, 2010 3:16 am #45


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I didn't know that Baby Bush had either invented or copyrighted that stupid phrase.  He may have been the biggest out there, but he was certainly not the only one.  Don't worry, lots of people before him have used that phrase and lots have used it since!  I have been personally told that to my face by a losing political candidate after a hotly contested college election.  And that was in the late 80's, well before I even knew about the Bush dynasty.

I am not as big a conspiracy theorist as you are.  North Carolina sued Amazon.com to give them the names and purchases of customers from that state.  If government knows everything that these businesses know, there would be no need for that.  Who know, maybe it is just for show.  I can only tell you that my state has so far not sued to collect back taxes on any of my big ticket online purchases (I would guess about $50,000 worth over the past 4 years) in spite of knowing about them.

But anyways, there is not much point in trying to get our delusions to a common ground.  They seem to be too far and radically apart.  So, you live with yours and I will live with mine.

I am reminded of a famous philosopher who said that being atheistic was logical, but he would rather be religious just in case he was wrong and there was a God.  If there was no God, he didn't have anything to lose by being religious, but if there actually turned out to be a God, he had everything to gain by being religious.  Similarly, perhaps Global Warming exists, perhaps it does not.  I would rather do something to control pollution and energy use assuming it exists because if it doesn't exist, I don't have much to lose by saving energy anyways (after all energy does cost money), but if it does exist, I have everything to gain by polluting less and using less energy.  Better safe than sorry, I guess . . .

 

May 5, 2010 9:17 pm #46


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I'm sure others have said it.  That was just created a furor after the Iraq invasion.  It was a good thing he did invade.  There were no weapons of mass destruction, but Saddam had assembled a fleet of 30,000 pontoon equiped camels each carrying a launcher and missile.  The combined range and power gave him the ability to wipe out every boardwalk on the East Coast and even hit one or two casinos.  That's why it is rumored Donald Trump had Saddam hanged.

Who was the philosopher?  I see nothing logical in being an atheist.  To me insisting that there is no god is little different than insisting there is.  It is something we can't really know.  I've chosen to be a hopeful agnostic.  I hope there is a just god presiding over the universe.  If there is, eventually all creatures cognizant of their own existence will be in a paradise.  Some people will have much longer periods of punishment before they get there and no amount of "Praise Jesus," "Allah Be Praised," "Hail Mary," or wailing at a wall in Jerusalem will take one minute off of their time.

The earth has gone through many cycles of warming and cooling.  We may well be in a warming trend, although there are many scientists who say no.  I'm just more inclined to believe that volcanic eruptions and space debris probably contribute a lot more to it than we do.

 

May 6, 2010 7:56 am #47


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Get people out of their cars and onto public transport. There is a world wide trend re this. The less auto exhaust in the atmosphere can only be beneficial to us all, would you like your children to breath oxygen or carbon monoxide? Can anybody tell me how a hole can develop in a layer of gas (ozone)

 

May 6, 2010 5:07 pm #48


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I think that everyone could contribute to reducing greenhouse gases, gradually changing their eating habits. Or just do not use the car for anything, or use it to make more things possible in less possible way, saving fuel! Use energy saving light bulbs at home, not wasting water at all, try to use the air conditioner as little as possible. If we continue to produce greenhouse gases to capacity and exploit natural resources, will be our end! Many Pacific islands will be submerged, my city will end up badly and all the coasts of the world will be distorted!

 

May 6, 2010 7:58 pm #49


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PhreedomPhan wrote:

Who was the philosopher?  I see nothing logical in being an atheist.  To me insisting that there is no god is little different than insisting there is.  It is something we can't really know.

The philosopher was Pascal.  Took me a while to check my references and locate the source.  Here is a good explanation of his argument, which is also referred to as "Pascal's Wager":
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

 

May 7, 2010 1:33 am #50


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Some of you may not think this is funny, but here we go:

Al Gore was at a press conference when he said that global warming is happening much quicker than he thought, until he was interrupted as one of his staff pulled him aside and said "It's just springtime."

 

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